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                                                                                is a recent touchstone for him. It describes
                                                                                in detail people working for social
                                                                                inclusion who are simultaneously making
                                                                                things better for the whole community.
                                                                                  The challenge now, he says, is to find out
                                                                                “what is the big agenda and how do we
                                                                                become part of it?” He believes climate
                                                                                change is the biggest challenge facing the
                                                                                world. To address it, he says “we all need
                                                                                to relate to each other differently” and
                                                                                that, in turn, necessitates developing more
                                                                                inclusive societies. He is working on a
                                                                                project about sustainability and inclusion
                                                                                for the Centre for Welfare Reform.
                                                                                  Reflecting back on An Ordinary Life,
                                                                                Towell says that for 20 years the focus
                                                                                was on closing the old institutions. “But
                                                                                we can see in hindsight that we didn’t
                                                                                stop new ones arising, especially in the
                                                                                private sector,” he says. Work to achieve
                                                                                equal citizenship will never be finished,
                                                                                he now believes.
                                                                                  In closing, he draws from my own
                                                                                story, as one of the foot soldiers of
                                                                                deinstitutionalisation in the 1980s, and
                                                                                says that it shows that “we can change
                                                                                things from the bottom up when good
                                                                                people find both inspiration and a
       David Towell has worked to promote inclusion education internationally “because, if we get that   supportive network . We are not going to
       right, we’re more likely to get that sense of community and people being valued”  get much from the top down in the
                                                                                foreseeable future. But now we have
       The first time it was “jaw dropping”, I tell   He has been working in Puebla in   more possibilities for connecting laterally.”
       him. His response is typically modest:   Mexico where the slogan is “Making   He wants a new social movement for
       “Well, I had a lot of practice.”    Puebla better for everybody through   the changes that are needed for people
        He is unequivocal that supporting   including people with disabilities”. Soon   with learning disabilities in the 2020s,
       providers is the best way to get the real   after this interview, he was off on his 24th   looking to the school pupils striking for
       change in the world that people with   trip to Colombia as well as to Bolivia and   action on climate change: “Once they
       learning disabilities need. However, he                                  have sorted that out, we need them.” n
       recognises the push for change from both                                 ● David Towell’s writing can be accessed
       pressure groups like Learning Disability   “ The key resource to         at: www.centreforwelfarereform.org/
       England, which he helped set up, and      moving things is the           search/18105/
       the powerful new networks of parents
       with children in assessment and       leadership of vision-driven        Seán Kelly was chief executive of the
       treatment units.                          providers and those            Elfrida Society from 2001 to 2012 and is
        “But the other main source of                                           now a freelance writer and photographer
       continuity with the values and efforts at     they employ
       making things work are the vision-driven   Peru to work on advancing inclusive ”  References
       provider organisations. So, actually, I do                               Department of Health (2001) Valuing People
       think that the key resource to moving                                    – a New Strategy for Learning Disability for the
       things is the leadership of these   education. He has published seven papers   21st Century. http://tinyurl.com/naeskq3
       organisations and, by proxy, the great   in Spanish, despite not speaking the   King’s Fund (1980) An Ordinary Life:
       supporters that they employ.”       language (he is having lessons), but says   Comprehensive Locally-based Residential
                                           facilitation skills are essentially the same,   Services for Mentally Handicapped People.
       Going global                        including “creating good spaces for   London: King’s Fund
       In recent years, Towell’s work has   reflection on current challenges, helping   O’Brien J, Mount B (2015) Pathfinders. People
                                                                                with Developmental Disabilities & Their Allies
     Seán Kelly/www.seankellyphotos.com  they contributed to drafting the UN   can do to advance them in their   Everybody. Inclusion Press, Toronto
                                           people be explicit about their values and
       increasingly been international. He
                                                                                Building Communities That Work Better for
                                           then helping them to explore what they
       worked with Inclusion International as
                                                                                Rix B, ed (2006) All About Us! The Story of
       Convention on the Rights of Persons with
                                           situation”. And always asking: “What
                                                                                People with a Learning Disability and Mencap.
                                           more is possible?”
       Disabilities, which he describes as
                                                                                London: Mencap
                                             The phrase “What more is possible?” is
       “ordinary life at the global level”. He
                                                                                Towell D (1988) An Ordinary Life in Practice:
       accepts that not enough people in the UK
                                           taken from a pamphlet by Towell’s old
                                                                                Developing Comprehensive Community-based
       pay attention to UN conventions but in
                                                                                Services for People with Learning Disabilities.
       many other places they are very important.
                                           Beth Mount, Pathfinders (O’Brien, 2015),
                                                                                London: the King’s Fund
       www.cl-initiatives.co.uk            friend John O’Brien, whose book with   Community Living  Vol 32 No 4  |  Summer 2019  21
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